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February 7th, 2009 at 7:16 pm
“un-Canadian”? Come on, are we trying to emulate the American’s with their Patriotism Inquisitions? And talk about your push-poll phrasing…
If Halifax Metro is publicly held then yes their actions are deplorable (and hopefully illegal) but un-Canadian? Surely we have better retorts than that.
February 7th, 2009 at 7:30 pm
Halifax and Nova Scotia in general need to get with the times. In 2006 they were still debating about opening the malls on Sunday. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/nova-scotia/story/2006/10/04/ns-sunday-shopping.html
February 7th, 2009 at 7:40 pm
I don´t suppose there´s any way to make the poll so that two separate computers on the same IP address can vote on it?
February 7th, 2009 at 7:45 pm
@g – Thanks for the comment, I’m aware of the IP issue and I’m trying to figure something out. It’s already too late to use a different wordpress plugin for this poll but maybe next poll I’ll try a new plugin.
Thnks.
February 7th, 2009 at 11:29 pm
Lex Luthor re: Halifax and Nova Scotia in general need to get with the times
How does not allowing Sunday shopping indicate that a city or a province is behind the times? Is it possible that the Nova Scotia government wanted to ensure that a large majority of people could look forward to one day when they didn’t have to work and could spend time alone relaxing, or socializing with family and friends.
You are also confusing Pattison Maritimes and Halifax Metro Transit with the people of Nova Scotia. Pattison Maritimes and Halifax Metro Transit are reluctant to stir up controversy not Haligonians.
February 7th, 2009 at 11:48 pm
Posted on The Canadian Press, “Calgary bishop wants equal time over plans for buses to carry atheist message.” See http://calsun.canoe.ca/News/Alberta/2009/02/07/8304496.html
February 8th, 2009 at 2:24 am
Vronvron – I soooo wish that they win a court judgement since we could flip it around. Atheist bus ads would explode!
One has to wonder how out of touch this bishop must be to propose such an idea in the first place. Does he really imagine that the church is the underdog who needs government support to get equal access? Bonkers.
February 8th, 2009 at 5:11 am
I don’t think it is necessarily un-Canadian.
It is more of restricting freedom for people. Who are they to tell people especially grown adults what they should or should not believe.
This is generally the problem with governments today, they have their nose stuck in everything thinking they could protect us when in reality they are controlling and resisting us.
The laws and rules provide a one size fits all solution.
February 8th, 2009 at 5:48 am
“Un-Canadian” is a bit over the top. Sounds suspiciously like an appeal to emotion.
February 8th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
I don’t think un-canadian is over the top,
I hope that infringing peoples freedoms is not considered canadian-like. Considering that Britain allowed these adds everywhere I think it is a little backwards, and embarrasing that we are not allowing them. I can understand Vancouver if they have always not allowed religious ads, but Halifax’s transit has implied they won’t allow them just because there are a lot of christians there.
February 8th, 2009 at 5:14 pm
Undemocratic, anti-secular, against the freedom of expression are more encompassing terms.
If they’d allowed it, would it be Canadian?
February 8th, 2009 at 11:30 pm
I think that the link between “un-Canadian” and the Halifax decision is a legitimate one considering the “free” society that we all cherish and promote. It seems that to some the word freedom is synonymous with the traditional norm of the topic in question. Terefor they deem it okay to shut out opinions because they are unfamiliar, even if the opinions promote a positive and healthy mentality amongst a considerable number of Canadians.
I don’t believe that it is Canadian to let a personal bias in the public sector interfere with free speech considering it’s a positive campaign that is currently open to our religious counterparts.
February 9th, 2009 at 3:28 am
The reason the ad company and the transit administrators gave for not running the ads is that the message was too controversial. Given the history of our country this decision is very un-Canadian. We don’t shy away from controversy. Look at the gay marriage legislation, the governor general award to Henry Morgentaler, refusing to follow our neighbours into war in Iraq, and the list could go on. Canadian comedians in programs such as “This Hour Has 22 Minutes” have pushed the envelope on a number of issues.
I’d say Canadians enjoy controversy and debate. Would we have so many parties in parliament if we didn’t like to debate issues?
There’s a Christian behind that decision to not run the ads on the buses. It has nothing to do with stirring up controversy. It has to do with restricting the rights of others to express their opinion about god(s).
This is so very un-Canadian.
February 9th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
The question was asked in a wily way, and I accidentally answered with yes. I probably would not have answered yes or no. While it is true that we have “freedom” of speech, it must be shared by both sides. Would the TTC be as equally willing to post a well-funded ad campaign if a Christian group posted the biblical text, “The fool has said in his heart, there is no God”?
February 9th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
The term “un-Canadian” is too divisive, particularly for a movement that seeks dialogue. Like the terms “heretical” and “blasphemous”, it encourages an “us versus them” polarization that precludes any engagement, making reconciliation impossible. I understand this is just a poll, but it represents a larger communication problem. “Un-Canadian” and similar terminology should be reserved for dogmatic patriots and other people of faith.
February 9th, 2009 at 11:05 pm
Matthew Wicks: “Would the TTC run an ad: ‘The fool has said in his heart, there is no God?”
I think that comparison is invalid. The proposed banner says: ‘there probably is no God’. It doesn’t say anything about people who believe in God (that they are fools, deluded, misguided, or any other perjorative large or small).
If Halifax allows ads from religious groups at all, then I cannot see how that is less controversial than an ad from a non-religious group.
That being said, Jim Pattison is a devout Christian IIRC, and it’s his company.
February 11th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
I don’t think un-canadian is the right word for it. I think our patriotism here is different than the USA. Here we can both love canada but disagree on an issue. Down there it always seems to be a “you’re with us or against us” mentality. Once the word patriotism is thrown out there they go crazy.
Halifax will come around and allow the ads, but in the process the owner dude Jim Pattison will feel he made himself look like a good christian by fighting it.