Halifax Joins Vatican-Dominated Italy as Only Jurisdictions in Western World to Refuse Atheist Ads
Campaign Updates, Uncategorized February 4th, 2009The Halifax advertising authority has declared atheism ads in “poor taste”, or possibly merely objectionable to certain “moral standards”. In so doing they have joined the Vatican as the only two organizations in the western world still in the dark ages when it comes to allowing non-believers the right to free speech in public spaces. That’s quite an accomplishment! Here’s the full official response we received from the General Manager of Pattison Maritimes, the company that produces and sells transit advertising in Halifax).
Thank you for your inquiry. We are aware of your message due to the existing media coverage you are experiencing. We are not able to accept your message as it currently reads.
If you would like to submit an alternative message, we will submit that for approval.
If any potential ad message is deemed to be possibly controversial, we must advise the transit system. They rarely refuse creative content, however have advised us that in this particular case, your message has already stirred up enough media exposure across the country to be deemed controversal.
All advertisements must meet acceptable community standards of good taste, quality and appearance . Furthermore, the ads will not be considered discriminatory, or objectionable to any race creed or moral standard.
In unofficial correspondence they have stated that this policy would apply to any groups with an advertisement referring to god or religion, although the reference to the possibility of our ads infringing on moral standards is curious. That phrase does not appear as stated anywhere in their policy document.
The CBC, in an article called Halifax is Keeping God Off Its Buses reports:
A ‘Without God’ ad has proven too controversial for Halifax transit.
Humanist Canada wanted to place ads on Metro Transit buses with the slogan, “You can be good without God.”
But officials with the transit authority deemed that too controversial.
Aren’t ads supposed to catch your attention and make you think? That’s what characterizes really good advertisements. Should our organizations be penalized for our successes? Besides, if we removed every offensive ad, we’d be taking half of them down. I imagine a Hummer ad isn’t exactly impressing an environmentalist nor, to borrow an example from Pat O’Brien, President of the Humanist Association of Canada, would a vegan be happy with an ad for sirloin stake. And it goes without saying that political ads are offensive to everyone who doesn’t belong to the political party being promoted. Here’s another example where religion receives a special blanket of protection. If you want to contact Pattison with your response to their actions (that’s what free speech is all about) their contact is at the bottom of Chris’ post below.
In statements prepared by the Freethought Association of Canada, we shot back:
Metro Transit needs to understand the seriousness of the message they’re sending by rejecting an ad as benign as ours on the grounds that it doesn’t conform to their standards of “good taste, quality, and appearance.” Metro Transit has a history of running ads that are potentially objectionable, from Vagina Monologue ads that include the slogan “The Vaginas are coming” to ads for an anti-choice organization known as “Birthright.”
We’re very concerned about our right to free speech — I think a lot of Haligonians are expressing similar concerns, so we’re really eager to sit down and discuss this face to face with Metro Transit.
Now it should be admitted that Pattison hasn’t refused to consider any ad from our organizations.
The transit authority would reconsider its position if Humanist Canada toned down its message.
Toned down its message? Humanist Canada’s message – distinct from that of the Freethought Association of Canada – was the very outrageous
You can be good without God
Wow. That’s so toned down it’s practically apologizing for itself. It’s hard to imagine a more innocuous statement of the secular humanist worldview in a more respectful and conciliatory phrasing. How could anyone possibly ask that this be toned down, unless they think atheists and humanists have no right to any public existence. This is a clear example of just how certain individuals and organizations see any assertiveness on the part of non-believers as a sign of arrogance and bigotry. But I believe this example betrays the real bigots.
According to some research, a lawsuit against the Vancouver Transit Authority for an old decision not to run potentially “offensive” political ads (which was ruled unconstitutional by the B.C. Court of Appeals) was appealed by the Transit Authority to the Supreme Court of Canada last year and in fact we are awaiting a decision on that in the coming weeks. Here’s the appeal decision by the B.C. Court of Appeals. As I’ve said before on this blog, censorship and free speech is becoming THE issue in Canada.
And Pattison has a history of deciding the wrong way on these issues, considering their refusal to display AIDS ads: Pattison company rejects AIDS ads for Gay Men. Maybe AIDS is objectionable to “moral standards” or maybe it’s just gay men.
But seriously, these cases raise critical questions:
-are transit authorities bound by the Charter?
-if so, does the Charter guarantee access to advertising on buses?
-if so, can the transit authority impose limits, and on what basis?
-if limits can be imposed, is an informal policy enough, or would it have to be some sort of bylaw?
Send your thoughts quickly. Chris and I are appearing on CP24 tonight (Feb 4) from 9-10pm to address these and other issues in the ongoing bus campaign.
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February 4th, 2009 at 9:08 pm
Good luck tonight on CP24! I will have to remember to watch.
Halifax is definitely “traditional” and stuck in their ways. All of NS is like that. I can say that after living most of my childhood life there.
Ads like this need to happen, so they realize there is a big world out there that is in 2009, and maybe they should catch up and get with the rest of the world.
February 4th, 2009 at 9:18 pm
I don’t see how they have a leg to stand on when they run adds with the statement “The Vaginas are coming” or ones by religious groups like “Birthright”. It is blatant discrimination.
As for the Charter? It should apply to all situations! Don’t employeers have to abide by the Charter?
Much like laws, I would think a policy or by-law could be invalid if it conflicted with the Charter, otherwise you could have a by-law stating that black people have to ride at the back of the bus.
Maybe you should bring up Rosa Parks! Our struggle beging on a bus much like the civil rights movement in the south!
February 4th, 2009 at 10:47 pm
Snake in a coalmine: Your sign.
Largest Snake ever found in Columbia Coal Mine.
“It’s very hot and humid, and the coal seams are very thick and you put all that together and the coal itself spontaneously combusts. There’s fire coming out of the coal seams and it smells very sulphuric,” Jonathan Bloch, curator of vertebrate paleontology at the University of Florida, said from Gainesville.
“It’s hell from the perspective of anyone walking into the mine. But from a vertebrate paleontology perspective, of course, it’s complete heaven.”
The earth can get a lot hotter – don’t worry, enjoy your life.
February 4th, 2009 at 11:39 pm
If you’re looking to start a dialogue and ruffle a few feathers along the way, mission duly accomplished. I’m not sure you’re picking the best strategy at a friendly dialogue between groups who believe in God (and many reverently so) and those who don’t.
Which is worse: irreverence for freedom of speech by theists or atheists’ irreverence for what is sacred to theists? Two wrongs do not make a right.
Your counter-campaign against (yes against) theism is blatantly hypocritical. It’s not that you don’t have the right to choose what you believe (or follow what you can’t help believing), but that you don’t really make friends with the people you are purportedly trying to befriend.
Clever marketing does not excuse bad manners.
February 5th, 2009 at 12:30 am
I would like to say I am sorry for the halifax response. For some reason we have for a long time had a small minority of people dictate and bully their way into getting what they want.
Metro transit is known to be ass backwards before this even started. Unless they have changed their policy lately they run their buses on holiday schedule on Canada day. Everyone is downtown, no parking, hot, crowded, etc and they run their buses on a reduced schedule just to make sure anyone willing to try and take the bus this one time never will again because they are stuck waiting for the next scheduled bus to arrive because the last 10 were full.
February 5th, 2009 at 12:53 am
It sounds as if declaring the mere existence of atheists or humanists is too controversial for this company. I hope you make a stink about this with the media, put on some pressure.
As for the Charter, if they’re a private company I don’t think they’re bound to accept anything. We have the right to speak, but we can’t be compelled to speak for others. That’s a good thing in general, a shame in this case
February 5th, 2009 at 1:53 am
Also in the News today: Another Planet earth has been discovered.
Astronomers using the COROT space telescope detected a small, hot planet as it transited its parent star. The planet, described as “rocky” like Earth, appears as a black dot. “This discovery is a very important step on the road to understanding the formation and evolution of our planet,” one astronomer said. It is remarkably similar to earth except it is extremely hot.
February 5th, 2009 at 3:12 am
Not entirely relevant to this article and the ad agency’s infuriating decision, but:
A nearby church on a major route in Winnipeg has a sign out front that currently reads:
GOD EXISTS
NOW ENJOY YOUR
LIFE WITH HIM
This seems to me to be a direct response to the TTC ads, which have been discussed in the local newspapers recently. This kind of dialogue – the recent United Church “multiple choice” campaign comes to mind as well – is nice to see, and makes me wonder what Winnipeg Transit’s position on this issue would be. I can only hope that we’ll have a chance to find out in the near future.
February 5th, 2009 at 3:52 am
I’ve been thinking about this for a couple of days now, and I have come up with a suggested new ad slogan. One that is ‘toned down’ in appearance but not really. How about a slogan that reads:
‘25% of your friends and neighbours don’t believe in any god, wanna find out why?’
The first part of the slogan is simply stating a fact that can be found in a national survey, while the second part is designed to open up the dialogue that us atheists want. Although I do not even know if the original ad can be changed at this point.
February 5th, 2009 at 3:59 am
I have no idea what you are saying offgrid, are you trying to scare people by saying we could turn the earth into hell? You even try to bring up evidence, thats a good start to rational thinking.
You guys did alright on CP24, I tried calling but the lines were jammed the entire time.
I particularly liked the part where that lady tried to say that people have a right not to be offended…lol.
UCC seems alright, that reverend was pretty descent.
Although, Chris, didn’t you ask permission to use this add? The UCC has an exact copy within their add, and I am pretty sure they did not bother to get permission.
I know all the counters to the U.S. being a christian nation, so many good quotes from founding fathers, but I don’t know the stuff about Canada. Even if we were, times change! I guess the idea of a christian nation is like all the muslim countries where people of different beliefs are “tolerated” but subjugated by the muslim majority.
To settle that stupid accusation of this add being about only attacking christians maybe you should put out some variations with Allah etc, but then again, I am pretty sure people of all religions get the message that this is about everyone’s gods. Actually saying Allah would single that faith out, where as saying “god” is inclusive….
February 5th, 2009 at 4:08 am
Devon: No – I’m just saying that there is some other very exciting and interesting news in the world of Science and Evolution today. The “Snake fossil in the Coal mine” (like a Canary in the coal mine) means that life will continue as the world’s temperature rises. We can evolve and survive. That is good news. Maybe.
It was a Canadian Team that made this discovery in Columbia. We should not take this news to mean we should stop our efforts to start lowering the earth’s temperature (if that is even possible) . For every 1/2 degree the temperature rises we are losing crops to drought. We need to work together on these issues.
We become what we do. We reap what we sow….
Related to sowing and reaping, Madame Chiang Kai-shek once wrote:
“If the past has taught us anything it is that every cause brings its
effect, every action has a consequence. We Chinese have a saying: “If
a man plants melons he will reap melons; if he sows beans, he will
reap beans.” And this is true of everyone’s life; good begets good,
and evil leads to evil. True enough, the sun shines on the saint and
the sinner alike, and too often it seems that the wicked prosper. But
we can say with certainty that, with the individual as with the
nation, the flourishing of the wicked is an illusion, for,
unceasingly, life keeps books on us all. In the end, we are all the
sum total of our actions. Character cannot be counterfeited, nor can
it put on and cast off as if it were a garment to meet the whim of
the moment. Like the markings on wood which are ingrained in the very
heart of the tree, character requires time and nurturing for growth
and development. Thus also, day by day, we write our own destiny; for
inexorably…we become what we do.”
February 5th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
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February 5th, 2009 at 6:53 pm
Posts like this are, regrettably, the reason why so many people view atheists and skeptics as being too arrogant and caustic for their own good. Every time an atheist goes public with the like of this, we are all perceived as immature brats.
February 5th, 2009 at 6:57 pm
Darren, in order for me to be more careful in the future, can you please provide direct quotes of what I wrote or said that you find arrogant or caustic? Thank you in advance.
February 5th, 2009 at 9:13 pm
Why are we atheists and agnostics constantly being accused of arrogance? I suspect that what appears as arrogance is the fact that we refuse to let religion have a “free ride” a sort of immunity from criticism that is not accorded to any other assertion.
We insist that a belief in an invisible Father who hears our prayers is a hypothesis that deserves NO LESS and NO MORE respect than belief in the Loch Ness Montser or the Sasquatch. People who say the Bible is a true record deserve no more and no less respect than someone who would tell you that Lord of the Rings is a true story or that the Book of Mormon is a real record of ancient America found and magically translated by Joe Smith in the 1800s.
Proponents of religion are used to NOT having to defend and justify their beliefs simply by invoking the magic word “Faith”. They lower their eyes in humility, say “It’s a matter of Faith”, and presto, the whole kit and kaboodle of talking snakes and world-wide floods and ocean liners with two of every animal and Jesus raising people from the dead suddenly is beyond criticism and beyond rational examination. Since “Faith” means belief without evidence, what they are saying is “My belief in all these preposterous things is based on no evidence.”
And, when atheists refuse to back away and show great respect for their “Faith based” beliefs, we are called arrogant.
Religion is like an old lady who is farting and stinking up a room full of people. Everybody knows it is happening, but nobody dares say anything because we can’t be rude to old ladies.
February 5th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
Devon, “Allah” is not the Muslim word for God. It is the Arabic word. Christian Arabs like those in Syria and Lebanon say “Allah” when they speak of God. “God” is just the English word for a diety, NOT the universal word (except I guess that English is the most common language on Earth, but still it means nothing different from the words for god in other languages). “Gott” is the German word, not the Lutheran word. Muslims in Germany, if they are speaking German, are perfectly free to say that Mohammed is the prophet of “Gott”. “Dieu” is the French word. French-speaking Jews, Muslims, Protestants, Catholics (and atheists) all say “Dieu”.
The Bus ads say “God” because they are in English. It’s that simple.
February 5th, 2009 at 11:03 pm
Darren,
I re-read this article after your comment to see if I could see this “caustic” approach you mention. Did you mean this statement: “…I believe this example betrays the real bigots”? Other than this single statement, possibly(?), I don’t detect anything that is arrogant or caustic.
Why shouldn’t atheists/agnostics ask questions about the intent of a decision to prevent them from advertising their messages? What’s wrong with wanting to be treated fairly and equally?
Women were for years called arrogant for wanting the vote and making their views known across Canada. Had they demurely stepped back and said, “Oh, sorry, I guess my opinion is a little too arrogant,” women would still be unrepresented in parliament.
Christians are always asking why they can’t have the Ten Commandments stuck at the entrance of a court house, or why they can’t have The Lord’s Prayer recited at the beginning of school classes, or why Evolution should be taught in public schools. We are constantly bombarded by their messages everywhere, even during state events as we so vividly saw in the Obama inauguration. Yet we shouldn’t view this as arrogant or caustic?
There is a concerted effort by religionists to keep atheists out of the public arena. They do not view us as innocuous even when we keep out mouths shut. So we may as well open them and deal with the name-calling. At least then the true spirit of Christianity is exposed.
February 5th, 2009 at 11:09 pm
Michel,
I like that analogy between old ladies farting and religion, but farting old ladies are more deserving of respect than religion.
February 6th, 2009 at 12:33 am
BTW Just to answer a comment from above. Metro transit although somewhat seperately run is considered part of the HRM goverment and is a public transit system. They are mandated to try and break even but often recieve local, provincial, and federal money to help them buy new buses and equipment under various public transit grants.
So they are not a private company and they recieve often receive public money to help them purchase new buses and equipment. Therefor they management cannot run it as a private company and can be held accountable for their actions by HRM and the people who live here.
February 6th, 2009 at 4:44 am
I think the important thing to check is whether Halifax transit has previously accepted any ads from advertisers affiliated with organised religion (or even disorganised religion). If they have, then the current treatment of the Atheist Bus ad is clearly discriminatory, in terms of the freedom of thought section of the Charter.
There is always the possibility that Halifax wants the campaign to use up financial resources battling the decision. :-/
February 6th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
Justin, I am saying that atheism itself needs to be in the forefront of what organizations are doing. Bandying about words like bigot, writing at great length with a little sarcasm, and suggesting that election ads are as offensive to some as the no-God ads may be, in my opinion, detracts from the true message we’re trying to get out there, which is well outlined in Michelle’s comment #15). All organizations need to be careful when speaking in public and in the press, in my opinion, to put atheism itself well ahead of activism.
February 6th, 2009 at 6:19 pm
Well thought-out and balanced post Justin. Keep it up.
Here’s a link to a bus ad generator that is available online. I’m already seeing this “fake ads” appear all over the blogsphere. Guess there is no such thing as bad publicity:
http://ruletheweb.co.uk/b3ta/bus/
February 6th, 2009 at 7:17 pm
I think this should be clarified. There are flip-flopping references to Metro Transit and Pattison. Pattison DOES NOT make these decisions. They are contracted to sell ads, the owners of the buses (Metro Transit in Halifax) decides what makes it and what doesn’t.
Targeting Pattison is an exercise in futility as, given the choice, they’d likely have run the ads.
This is important stuff. We need to target Metro Transit, the publicly funded transit authority.
Also, Halifax is NOT alone outside the Vatican … “Nancy Swartz with the Secular Humanist Association in Victoria said it’s running into the same problem there, and the ads have been rejected by BC Transit, which oversees transit outside the Greater Vancouver area.” (http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2009/02/03/bc-good-without-god-ads.html?ref=rss)
Notes:
Halifax advertising authority = Halifax Transit Authority
“That phrase does not appear as stated anywhere in their policy document.” – The policy referred to is the policy of Metro Transit and could be obtained from them.
“…we shot back: Metro Transit needs to understand…” – This says “we shot back (at Pattison) but then refers to Metro Transit.
“Now it should be admitted that Pattison hasn’t refused to consider any ad from our organizations. ‘The transit authority would reconsider its position if Humanist Canada toned down its message.’” – Same deal. Pattison is not a transit authority.
“And Pattison has a history of deciding the wrong way on these issues, considering their refusal to display AIDS ads: Pattison company rejects AIDS ads for Gay Men. Maybe AIDS is objectionable to “moral standards” or maybe it’s just gay men.” I have no idea if this one is Pattison’s refusal are who actually refused the ads.
February 7th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
First I want to clarify some info in the above post regarding Pattison (Pattison Outdoor Advertising). They are not the people to be complaining to I do agree. However I think some of the confusion is that the transit authority communication officer is Lori Patterson (very similar but not identical last names). She is the most certainly one of the people to be emailing and complaining to since she handles public relations for the transit system and likely had some say in the process (although in her defense she may have supported the ads but cannot say so in public because of her job). Refer to the following link for more info:
http://www.halifax.ca/mediaroom/mrcommunications.html
Now for the real reason I started this post. For those interested I forwarded the info to James Randi and he actually added a post about the issue in his blog.
For those who do not know of the website please take the time to take a look since his foundation has greatly help increase not only the cause of atheists but also the truth wether in religion, witch doctors, or everyday life stuff. His website is http://www.randi.org
Note that someone posted an alternative message in the comments below the blog entry by BillyJoe. Although I think it would need a bit of tweaking, I have to say its one of the most plausable alternative ads wording I have seen that might actually be toned down but still be effective. The suggestions was for “Atheist are good people, just like you and me”!
February 9th, 2009 at 1:37 am
The statement says that ads can’t be “discriminatory, or objectionable to any race creed or moral standard.” By rejecting the atheist ad, they must now also reject any religious ads, so long as a few atheists are morally outraged enough to complain.
BTW, my cheque is in the mail.
February 9th, 2009 at 11:30 pm
Genie mentioned: “Atheist are good people, just like you and me”
If the words the campaign uses are changed for Halifax, it means that someone or some people in Halifax have, by whatever means, modified your message. This results in your losing your freedom of thought and freedom to express it; hence, both capitulation to coercion and loss of a right enshrined in the Charter.
Therefore, I strongly urge you not to accept any solution that modifies the original wording. If it takes longer to get the ad on the buses, fine. Just don’t let anyone force you to modify your ‘views.’ You have a right to them, and the others have no right to force any change in them (albeit that I support their right to try to persuade you to change your views).
February 10th, 2009 at 7:09 pm
Thanks for your comment Trevor…
I never thought of it in that way. I agree the message should probably not be changed then. Unless changing the message is the last resort, but only after exhausting all other options.
February 16th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
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